Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
Indisciplina o desobediencia en el trabajo
English translation:
misconduct and failure to comply with the rules
Spanish term
Indisciplina o desobediencia en el trabajo
Would this be "insubordination or non-compliance on the job/at work"? I'm wondering if there's a better term than "non-compliance" for "desobediencia"
Thanks very much in advance.
"Será considerardas faltas muy graves las siguientes:
Ausencia del trabajador sin justificar por más de tres días.
Indisciplina o desobediencia en el trabajo"
insubordination | David Hollywood |
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Proposed translations
misconduct and failure to comply with regulations
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Note added at 1 day 20 hrs (2018-08-11 16:37:35 GMT)
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I agree with @polyglot that 'failure to' is important. In my case I opt for 'failure to comply' as more suitable to the context.
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Note added at 5 days (2018-08-15 12:33:44 GMT)
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I also agree with @polyglot that it could refer to failure to follow direct instructions, so asker’s context may determine whether ‘regulations’, ‘instructions’ or something else is more suitable. I appreciate that this is the problem with using ‘failure to comply’ rather than a noun. However, I still think it relevant.
indiscipline or disobedience in the work place
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David Hollywood
: fine and will withdraw mine as almost identical and bearing in mind that we may get an alternative for disobedience
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Thanks!
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AllegroTrans
: right answer, poor explanation
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THanks!//Not that much to elaborate upon!
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philgoddard
: Workplace, one word.
36 mins
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Thanks!
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Domini Lucas
: not disobedience for reasons in discussion entry. I also don't think we use 'indiscipline' in HR in the UK.
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Indiscipline or defiance at workplace
We will not tolerate any defiance at workplace.
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Domini Lucas
: Apologies for the disagree, but to me defiance also conveys an infantile or at least "teenage" attitude. Plus it wouldn´t work in a UK work context.
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lack of discipline and insubordination
I think the indisciplina is probably referring to work ethic.
insubordination or misconduct
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/top-reasons-for-getting-fi...
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Note added at 1 day 2 hrs (2018-08-10 22:22:55 GMT)
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sorry - should have used 'and', not 'or'
agree |
David Hollywood
: agree
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thanks, David
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agree |
Jean Shearer
11 hrs
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thanks , Jean
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agree |
neilmac
: I prefer this option...
13 hrs
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thanks, neilmac
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Domini Lucas
: I agree with misconduct. I don't think it is insubordination in this context.
20 hrs
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Reference comments
insubordination
Insubordinate behavior, however, is grounds for termination. But before any action is taken against a problematic employee, it is vital that he is aware about company policies pertaining to insubordination, or that HR officers made it perfectly clear what constitutes insubordination in the company handbook or during employee orientation. The lack thereof can lead to confusion, and might even give an insubordinate employee the upper hand.
What Exactly Is Insubordination In The Workplace?
If it was anywhere else but in the office, insubordination can refer to someone who is disrespectful or disobedient. But its definition is more specific in a corporate setting, and should not be confused with insolence. Insubordination at work is when an employee refuses to obey a direct order from a supervisor. In a legal aspect, it can also mean willful or intentional disobedience of a lawful and reasonable request by a supervisor. It may also refer to disrespect or harassment that is directed toward a superior.
The California Supreme Court defined it as “a refusal to obey some order which a superior officer is entitled to give and entitled to have obeyed”, which has been expanded by the Employment Development Department of California to cover other situations — “(1) disobeying an employer’s order or instruction, (2) disputing or ridiculing authority, (3) exceeding authority or (4) using vulgar or profane language towards a supervisor”.
Although the gist of the definition is almost the same, insubordination can take many forms. Apart from refusal to carry out work, it also constitutes non-performance, inappropriate comments, confrontation, inappropriate language, and even non-verbal expression of dissatisfaction, such as eye rolling as a gesture of disrespect. Considering these situations, it is important that HR officers clearly define what constitutes insubordination in the workplace.
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Taña Dalglish
: Definitely prefer insubordination to disobedience. https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/insubordination / https://www.thesaurus.com/browse/disobedience (misbehaviour/misconduct, maybe other options?)
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Domini Lucas
: I think 'insubordination' is specific' I think the Spanish may be more general.
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Discussion
Note "serious insubordination" as included as a form of gross misconduct on p.32 of this link: http://www.acas.org.uk/media/pdf/9/g/Discipline-and-grievanc...
Also, end of first paragraph of section 2 of this document: https://www.lawdonut.co.uk/business/employment-law/disciplin...
As mentioned previously, I can only find serious /gross insubordination as a 'sub-section' and, unless an employee is wholly unsuitable (and probably shouldn't have been hired in the first place!), it should take quite a bit of doing to get to this point!
For me "failure to" is the key