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Oct 17, 2007 02:22
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French term

n'en a pas moins

Non-PRO French to English Law/Patents General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters
Elle n'en pas moins cru, dans ses conclusions récapitulatives précitées du 1 janvier 1999, pouvoir ajouter un moyen de contestation de la validité de cette revendication n° 1 pour extension de la portée du brevet en application de l'article 13
Proposed translations (English)
4 +3 elle n'en a pas moins cru = she still believed
3 +2 she nonetheless felt (she could)
4 In spite of this, she nevertheless firmly believed
4 -1 however she has considered
3 This did not prevent her (from adding)
3 She still believed/thought that she'd be able to...
Change log

Oct 17, 2007 08:06: Tony M changed "Level" from "PRO" to "Non-PRO"

Oct 17, 2007 08:47: writeaway changed "Field" from "Other" to "Law/Patents"

Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:

PRO (1): L.J.Wessel van Leeuwen

Non-PRO (2): Richard Nice, Charlie Bavington

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Discussion

siragui Oct 17, 2007:
Absolutely! If your text reads "N'en pas moins" it's a mistake.
CMJ_Trans (X) Oct 17, 2007:
without the "a" it makes no sense
Paul Sadur (asker) Oct 17, 2007:
n'en pas moins I meant to write "n'en pas moins", without the "a". "Elle" is an "it" (it's a company).

Proposed translations

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elle n'en a pas moins cru = she still believed

dans la phrase complète le mot "a" ne figure pas, ce qui doit être une omission.

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Note added at 3 hrs (2007-10-17 05:44:49 GMT)
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ou : She even though believed

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Note added at 9 hrs (2007-10-17 11:47:59 GMT)
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Si c'est 'n'en pas moins cru' alors je pense à : thought not less
Peer comment(s):
agree Melissa McMahon : yes, she "no less" or rather "nevertheless" believed
33 mins
Merci Melissa
agree helene_d (X)
1 hr
Merci Helene
agree MatthewLaSon : You can't say "She even though believed " in English.
4 hrs
Merci Matthew
neutral writeaway : how would you ever fit this in with the rest of the sentence? believed doesn't really fit the context and agree with MatthewLaSon-that word order is impossible in English
5 hrs
why not ? She still (or even though) believed being able to.......,
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
-1
2 hrs

however she has considered

"however" holds the negative aspect of the French sentence, and you could also say: despite that, she has considered
Peer comment(s):
disagree writeaway : the present perfect tense doesn't work here at all. it's not used the same as its French/Dutch etc. counterpart. the original 'faux ami' . and consider doesn't convey the same thought process as 'croire' in the context.
3 hrs
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5 hrs

This did not prevent her (from adding)

might work depending on what goes before

or from taking the liberty of adding
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+2
4 hrs

she nonetheless felt (she could)

Another formulation. Depending on context, the "pouvoir" can be rather flexible:

"felt she had the right to" "felt justified in ...", etc., but that's your business, of course.

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Note added at 13 hrs (2007-10-17 15:47:10 GMT)
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Should have guessed it was a company. Substitute "they" and I think there's no problem.
Peer comment(s):
agree emiledgar : nonetheless is the appropriate translation.
52 mins
Thanks, emiledgar!
agree writeaway : and what's more, it fits in with the rest of the sentence (which could be handy for Asker) :-)
2 hrs
Thanks writeaway, I always try to be handy!
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15 hrs

She still believed/thought that she'd be able to...

Hello,

en croire = to believe ("en" is void of meaning here, but that is not always the case as it often means "for it" in this construction)

Example: Je suis tolérant , mais je n'en suis pas moins fâché = I'm a tolerant person, but that doesn't make me less angry (in this case). I'm no less angry about it for being tolerant.

n'en a pas moins cru pouvoir ajouter = still believed/thought that she'd be able to

ajouter un moyen de contestation = add a way of contesting the validity of...

Maybe, "She still believed/thought that she'd be able to incorporate (in the patent) a means to contest the validity of...

I hope this helps.
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1 day 2 hrs
French term (edited): n\\\'en a pas moins

In spite of this, she nevertheless firmly believed

Negative assertions were made before. In spite of these, she nevertheless (casts those aside and) firmly believes ........
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