Jan 28 10:51
3 mos ago
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French term
Spain
specialist in business and academic
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, Catalan to English, French to English, and 1 more.
retournement de la violence
Not for points
French to English
Social Sciences
Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc.
C’est également le cas de l’article d’Annélie Delescluse qui étudie les processus de subjectivation de migrants subsahariens au Maroc victimes de négrophobie. Elle montre les rapports complexes entre résistance et retournement de la violence, parfois y compris contre soi-même ou des proches. L’autrice s’intéresse notamment aux multiples passages entre pratiques d’autodéfense spontanée et mobilisations plus collectives – un aspect souvent discuté dans la littérature sur le vigilantisme [24] .
What do people understand by retournement de la violence here? Violent response. The use of violence to resist?
What do people understand by retournement de la violence here? Violent response. The use of violence to resist?
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +4 | redirecting violence |
Bourth
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| 3 +1 | turning violence upside down |
liz askew
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| 4 | turnaround in violence |
Francois Boye
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| 3 +1 | backlash of violence |
SafeTex
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| 3 | Imaginaries of Self-Defence |
SafeTex
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References
| clue in text |
liz askew
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Proposed translations
+4
12 hrs
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redirecting violence
The way the term is used in the following examples -- redirecting the violence one is subject to against someone else (Black Americans when one is White Trash, or vice versa, against one's spouse after being ticked off by the boss, against a goat or a virgin when in fear of punishment by a god, against one's teddybear when one is sent to one's room by Mum awaiting Dad's return from work (I speak from personal experience), or oneself (cf. scarification, suicide), all out of inability to control frustration by any other means (which is often the cause of the violence one is subject to in the first place), not in the sense of stopping one's own violence against one group and redirecting it against another -- seems to correspond to your text.
'Turning violence inside-out' is obviously part of the process, I would say, but maybe more abstract than the actual redirection of violence.
"Subjects admitted that anger stemming from community violence was often redirected away from the original source (Jacobs et al). This redirection of anger contributes to the contagion of community violence [ … ] Violence, originating from institutional injustice or chronic community violence, serves to create a subculture of violence within the community. With an altered violence value set, individuals spread violence outward through the redirection of violence as a method of self-preservation"
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&d...
"Interpreting non-violence in terms of its potential for social change, Landauer finally proposed a redirection of violence towards the self in order to achieve genuine transformations."
https://hal.science/hal-02509397/document
"Women redirect violence from husband towards their children (given circumscribed agency); fathers or mothers use children to retaliate against one another"
https://www.svri.org/sites/default/files/attachments/2018-01...
"substitution is also considered a basic tenet of sacrifice, sacrifice designed to redirect violence"
https://digitalcommons.providence.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?ar...
'Turning violence inside-out' is obviously part of the process, I would say, but maybe more abstract than the actual redirection of violence.
"Subjects admitted that anger stemming from community violence was often redirected away from the original source (Jacobs et al). This redirection of anger contributes to the contagion of community violence [ … ] Violence, originating from institutional injustice or chronic community violence, serves to create a subculture of violence within the community. With an altered violence value set, individuals spread violence outward through the redirection of violence as a method of self-preservation"
https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/document?repid=rep1&type=pdf&d...
"Interpreting non-violence in terms of its potential for social change, Landauer finally proposed a redirection of violence towards the self in order to achieve genuine transformations."
https://hal.science/hal-02509397/document
"Women redirect violence from husband towards their children (given circumscribed agency); fathers or mothers use children to retaliate against one another"
https://www.svri.org/sites/default/files/attachments/2018-01...
"substitution is also considered a basic tenet of sacrifice, sacrifice designed to redirect violence"
https://digitalcommons.providence.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?ar...
Note from asker:
| This was useful, thanks. I think the idea of retaliation is correct. |
| Most helpful |
Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
+1
5 hrs
turning violence upside down
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https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=gfyAQQax-CIC&pg=PA478&lp...
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https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=gfyAQQax-CIC&pg=PA478&lp...
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
Emmanuella
: C'est la violence qui se retourne
13 mins
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| agree |
Bourth
: I found 'inside-out' (and think it is better ;-) )
5 hrs
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12 hrs
Imaginaries of Self-Defence
This may baffle you (it baffles me too) but it seems to be the official translation of the term
See my reference which is an abstract in French and English of one of the books by Annélie Delescluse on this subject
See my reference which is an abstract in French and English of one of the books by Annélie Delescluse on this subject
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
philgoddard
: The French in your reference is 'imaginaires d’autodéfense', not 'retournement de la violence'.
1 day 15 hrs
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1 day 5 hrs
Francois Boye
United States
United States
Native in French
United States
An economic geek with social skills
Native in: French 
Works in: English to French, French to English, Spanish to English, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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19
turnaround in violence
My take
+1
1 day 9 hrs
backlash of violence
Possibly the closest we have in common everyday English
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I've just noticed that this phrase was mentioned in an agree before I published it. Oops, I hadn't seen that
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I've just noticed that this phrase was mentioned in an agree before I published it. Oops, I hadn't seen that
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Daryo
5 hrs
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| agree |
ormiston
: I have agreed with what I consider the best posted suggestion
15 hrs
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| disagree |
Annette Fehr
: taken from my comment to Bourth
16 hrs
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Reference comments
4 hrs
Reference:
clue in text
.............retournement de la violence, parfois y compris contre soi-même ou des proches............
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self-directed violence?
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https://www.mirecc.va.gov/visn19/clinical/docs/RM_MIRECC_SDV...
Self-directed violence is the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or
actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which
results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm,
maldevelopment, or deprivation.
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VIOLENCES CONJUGALES - Santé Mentale
santementale.fr
https://www.santementale.fr › ddl › pdf
PDF
8 Cf., par exemple, « La violence envers les femmes en France, une enquête nationale », La ... Le retournement de l'agressivité contre soi-même est un mécanisme ...
Violence et contextes sociaux. La prise en compte ... - HAL-SHS
hal.science
https://shs.hal.science › document
PDF
by M Calvez · 2000 · Cited by 1 — de soi. Poser la question de la violence et de l'ordre social doit alors ... l'individu peut retourner cette violence contre lui-même violence.
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also:
Religion and Violence - Project MUSE
jhu.edu
https://muse.jhu.edu › pub › oa_monograph › chapter
3 Feb 2020 — Finally, what new and unprecedented forms does its violence—albeit its “violent ... ****Levinas speaks of a “reverting” or retournement ****in Otherwise ...
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see here too:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=_u5QfP-cehgC&pg=PA80&lpg...
upside down turn
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turning violence upside down?
1.Turning oppression upside down - Move Nonviolence
movenonviolence.net
https://movenonviolence.net › ...
Turning oppression upside down. How does violence function? Discover nonviolence as a strategy for deconstructing and transforming conflicts.
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self-directed violence?
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Note added at 5 godz. (2024-01-28 15:53:25 GMT)
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https://www.mirecc.va.gov/visn19/clinical/docs/RM_MIRECC_SDV...
Self-directed violence is the intentional use of physical force or power, threatened or
actual, against oneself, another person, or against a group or community, which
results in or has a high likelihood of resulting in injury, death, psychological harm,
maldevelopment, or deprivation.
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Note added at 5 godz. (2024-01-28 16:00:54 GMT)
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VIOLENCES CONJUGALES - Santé Mentale
santementale.fr
https://www.santementale.fr › ddl › pdf
8 Cf., par exemple, « La violence envers les femmes en France, une enquête nationale », La ... Le retournement de l'agressivité contre soi-même est un mécanisme ...
Violence et contextes sociaux. La prise en compte ... - HAL-SHS
hal.science
https://shs.hal.science › document
by M Calvez · 2000 · Cited by 1 — de soi. Poser la question de la violence et de l'ordre social doit alors ... l'individu peut retourner cette violence contre lui-même violence.
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Note added at 5 godz. (2024-01-28 16:18:55 GMT)
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also:
Religion and Violence - Project MUSE
jhu.edu
https://muse.jhu.edu › pub › oa_monograph › chapter
3 Feb 2020 — Finally, what new and unprecedented forms does its violence—albeit its “violent ... ****Levinas speaks of a “reverting” or retournement ****in Otherwise ...
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Note added at 5 godz. (2024-01-28 16:24:16 GMT)
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see here too:
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=_u5QfP-cehgC&pg=PA80&lpg...
upside down turn
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Note added at 5 godz. (2024-01-28 16:26:06 GMT)
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turning violence upside down?
1.Turning oppression upside down - Move Nonviolence
movenonviolence.net
https://movenonviolence.net › ...
Turning oppression upside down. How does violence function? Discover nonviolence as a strategy for deconstructing and transforming conflicts.
Note from asker:
| I was initially confused by the order of the words and thought, like you, that the phrase implies self-directed violene. But this is not the case from the context, so the more obvious meaning of retaliation has to be correct. |
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