Glossary entry (derived from question below)
English term or phrase:
besides vs. beside
English answer:
in addition to vs. adjacent to
Added to glossary by
Tony M
Feb 20, 2007 21:57
17 yrs ago
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English term
Veni Vidi Vici
Native in: Russian 
, Ukrainian
Works in: Russian to English, English to Russian, Ukrainian to English, and 5 more.
Besides vs. besides of
English
Tech/Engineering
Computers (general)
input of text with the reduced keyboard (keypad)
Which of the above will be correct in the following sentence ? -
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Besides/ Besides of the digits, the mathematical symbols have been added to the “123” layout.
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PS My first idea was to write - "IN ADDITION TO the digits, the mathematical symbols have been added to the “123” layout." - but this sounds superfluous ...
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Besides/ Besides of the digits, the mathematical symbols have been added to the “123” layout.
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PS My first idea was to write - "IN ADDITION TO the digits, the mathematical symbols have been added to the “123” layout." - but this sounds superfluous ...
Responses
| 5 +10 | besides |
Tony M
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| 5 +2 | in addition to |
Adam Burman
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| 4 | along with |
William [Bill] Gray
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| 4 -1 | beside the digits, mathematical symbols etc |
Vitaly Kisin
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Responses
+10
3 mins
Selected
besides
Although the turn of phrase is not exactly elegant, "besides of" would be just completely wrong!
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Note added at 5 mins (2007-02-20 22:03:37 GMT)
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You woudl probably do better to turn the whole phrase around, something like this:
The “123” layout now includes mathematical symbols, in addition to digits
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Note added at 6 mins (2007-02-20 22:04:26 GMT)
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Watch out for those definite articles, they may or may not be required (a common problem coming from RU, I understand!)
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Note added at 7 mins (2007-02-20 22:05:17 GMT)
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AMA's suggestion of "as well as..." would probably be the best solution if you wish to retain your original word order.
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Note added at 5 mins (2007-02-20 22:03:37 GMT)
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You woudl probably do better to turn the whole phrase around, something like this:
The “123” layout now includes mathematical symbols, in addition to digits
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Note added at 6 mins (2007-02-20 22:04:26 GMT)
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Watch out for those definite articles, they may or may not be required (a common problem coming from RU, I understand!)
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Note added at 7 mins (2007-02-20 22:05:17 GMT)
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AMA's suggestion of "as well as..." would probably be the best solution if you wish to retain your original word order.
Peer comment(s):
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Sara Noss
1 min
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Thanks, Baba!
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cmwilliams (X)
26 mins
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Thanks, CMW!
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Vicky Papaprodromou
28 mins
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Efharisto, Vicky!
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Lisa Russell
55 mins
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Thanks, Lisa!
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Seema Ugrankar
4 hrs
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Thanks, Seema!
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R. Alex Jenkins
: Just 'besides'
4 hrs
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Thanks, RJ!
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anastasia t (X)
8 hrs
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Thanks, Anastasia!
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Richard Benham
: The problem with the asker's formulation is that it implies that BOTH digits and mathematical symbols have been ADDED, but surely the digits were already there?!/I like "As well as ..., ... now includes"!
9 hrs
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Thanks, RB! Yes indeed, which is why I feel it would be better to re-phrase it entirely
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Sophia Finos (X)
22 hrs
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Thanks, Sophia!
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Alfa Trans (X)
2 days 9 hrs
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Thanks, Marju!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Many thanks to everyone ! My final version is based on the Tony's suggestion "The “123” layout now includes mathematical symbols, in addition to digits" and the final version is "In addition to digits, we have included mathematical symbols into the “123” layout""
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2 mins
in addition to
HTH
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Note added at 4 mins (2007-02-20 22:02:11 GMT)
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Besides means "also" or "in addition to", not "alternatively".
I think "in addition to" works well here.
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Note added at 4 mins (2007-02-20 22:02:11 GMT)
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Besides means "also" or "in addition to", not "alternatively".
I think "in addition to" works well here.
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22 mins
Vitaly Kisin
Specializes in field
Physicist, huge translation experience
Native in: Russian
Works in: English to Russian, Russian to English, English, and 1 more.
beside the digits, mathematical symbols etc
Sorry to break the ranks but isn't this a clich'e? Let a native speaker be a judge. Google, at any rate, is on my side
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Nick Nott
: 'As well as the digits' is the most fluent. 'In addition to the digits' is second best. 'Besides of the digits' and 'Beside the digits' are both incorrect.
20 mins
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| neutral |
R. Alex Jenkins
: 'beside the digits' is not right. It sounds like 'next to the digits'.
4 hrs
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| neutral |
anastasia t (X)
: agree with richard jenkins
8 hrs
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| disagree |
Tony M
: No, as RJ and AT have pointed out, that then becomes "alongside, next to..." If the word "beside..." is to be used at all, it HAS to be "besides"
8 hrs
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Richard Benham
: With previous commentators. However, all suggestions to date imply that the digits have ALSO been added, which is hardly likely to be the intention....
9 hrs
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10 hrs
William [Bill] Gray
Norway
Norway
Native in English
&
English
Works in field
Norway
Working with words
Native in: English 
Works in: English, Norwegian to English, Danish to English, and 1 more.
Related KudoZ points
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12
along with
Sorry to offer yet another suggestion to the growing plethora (esp. with the large agreement with Tony, which I also think is a possibility), but I thought that this alternative should also be given an airing.
Peer comment(s):
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Tony M
: Yes Bill, but surely this emphasizes the "also added at the same time", which both RB and I feel is the wrong interpretation?
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