Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

attached so much... as to

English answer:

as much as

Added to glossary by NancyLynn
Jan 10, 2012 00:26
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English term

attached so much... as to

English Social Sciences History Argentine history
Hi!

I would like to know if this sentence sounds natural in English.

Marxist put forward the creation of workers’ parties and attached so much importance to political as to trade union activity.

thankssss
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Jan 15, 2012 15:27: NancyLynn Created KOG entry

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Alexandra Taggart Jan 11, 2012:
Marx argued that the next step after the proletarians have become conscious of themselves as a class rather than as isolated individuals, and become organized - they should become a major political force.That was the way to educate the ruling class.I have read The Manifesto a long time ago, alas,revived interest to Marx of every intellectual in the world is something I'd rather avoid.About the sentence:it doesn't require negative "he did not" (attached so much as to), though it could be desirable.
B D Finch Jan 11, 2012:
@Alexandra "So much" is not a clause as it lacks a verb. As a comparative, it has to be "as much", not "so much". I suggest that you might find a biography of Karl Marx both enlightening and light relief from the study of a good book on English grammar.
Alexandra Taggart Jan 11, 2012:
Marx was a political philosopher, not an activist; let us finish with it.
This text is written in prfect English, just punctuation is missing:'Marxist put forward the creation of workers’ parties; and attached so much importance to political, as to trade union activity.'
Many thanks to BDFinch.Please, my Lady-Friend-Colleague, would you be so kind to name the clause, is it a subordinate clause? The main clause is clear "so much", but why "as" to subordinate?Seems, it works similarly to "not so much as", but in opposite direction, counterclockwise.
Cynthia Johnson (X) Jan 11, 2012:
put forward this sentence doesnt sound natural to me as a historian, but as others have said, depends on whether this is a translation or not. I'd say: Marx/ Marxists argued/ fought for the creation of workers' parties and attached as much importance to politics/ political activity as to trade union activity.
B D Finch Jan 10, 2012:
@Nancy Quite so! It really depends whether or not it is actually a translation, in which case the source text rules.
NancyLynn Jan 10, 2012:
This could make for a very interesting discussion, BD; it might even be the argument of the dissertation or book susiq is translating. In any case it's certainly worth checking the accuracy of the translation. However, if that is what the source states, that is what the translator must translate, regardless of accuracy, personal viewpoints, etc.
B D Finch Jan 10, 2012:
Accuracy Marxists would generally attach greater importance to political than to trade union activity.

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as much as

I think you are asking if it is correct to say: so much (something) as to (something else) in the sense that the two are equal in importance.

The correct rendering of this idiom is: as much as. I attached as much importance to health as to hygiene. I liked the second book as much as the first.

HTH
Peer comment(s):

agree Elizabeth Faracini
22 mins
Thanks!
agree Lourdes Sanchez : de acuerdo. Marxists in plural
1 hr
yes, I agree with that too :) thanks!
agree David Hollywood : yes and with "Marxists"
1 hr
me too! Thanks!
agree Yvonne Gallagher : yes and plural Marxists
1 hr
Yes and thanks!
agree Tony M
3 hrs
Thanks Tony!
agree Jack Doughty
6 hrs
Thank you Jack!
agree Suzan Hamer
8 hrs
Thank you Suzan!
agree David Moore (X) : Yes; but it could also have been "Marxis*M* and not Marxists, could it not?
11 hrs
It most certainly could; BD Finch raises another interesting point above
disagree Alexandra Taggart : 1) it is not an idiom, it is called "subordinating conjunction";2) your "rendering" is wrong:"as much as" and "so much as" are different in their meanings.
21 hrs
agree Phong Le
22 hrs
Thank you Phong Le!
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19 hrs

so much as=rather than

Pretty simple. He attached importance to political rather than to professional.
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/so much as

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Note added at 1 day20 hrs (2012-01-11 20:58:06 GMT)
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By the way, if you analyze the the meaning of the term "worker's party"(party is a political organization, isn't it?) and the structure of this sentence - the odds will be in favour of the first part.
Peer comment(s):

disagree NancyLynn : this construction requires the use of a negative; see your ref
1 hr
A subordinating conjunction is always followed by a clause. It is a simple English sentence.
disagree Cilian O'Tuama : off the mark, in many ways // most of the words are English, but are sadly not making much sense.
20 hrs
"Every time I come across his name little davil bids me from the roof" - is it something that you want, darling?
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