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This forum topic is for the discussion of the poll question "Of these, which is the most common requirement you see when applying to agencies?".
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| | | | neilmac
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Local time: 15:11
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CAT tools - usually the big T, although others are available.
| | | | | Decades of experience + Extremely low rates | Nov 5, 2019 |
And worse, people are working for lower and lower rates, our business is on the rocks.
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As I’ve been translating full-time since 1985 I always find amusing when I’m asked for a copy of my diplomas for courses I did in the 1970s. I would rather do a translation test for free than sending diplomas, references and the like and having to fill endless forms. I understand that sometimes a translation test might be useful to see how a translator treats this or that particular sentence. If I’m really interested in that job I'll be happy to do a short translation test (300/400 words m... See more As I’ve been translating full-time since 1985 I always find amusing when I’m asked for a copy of my diplomas for courses I did in the 1970s. I would rather do a translation test for free than sending diplomas, references and the like and having to fill endless forms. I understand that sometimes a translation test might be useful to see how a translator treats this or that particular sentence. If I’m really interested in that job I'll be happy to do a short translation test (300/400 words maximum), providing we have already agreed on price and payment and there is no deadline set for the test, so I can do it at my own pace. Anyway, that’s how I got some of my best clients (direct clients and translation agencies) and some of my highest-paid assignments. ▲ Collapse
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Tom in London
Обединето Кралство
Local time: 14:11
италијански на англиски
I no longer apply to agencies. It's a time-consuming, thankless task and I don't think I've ever had a response from any of them.
| | | | Alexandra Hirsch (X) 
Австрија
Local time: 15:11
англиски на германски
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The terms are strange. "Payment 30 days after invoicing" but I'm not allowed to send the invoice, the agency decides when it's allowed. What kind of payment strategy is that?!!
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I have never applied to an agency, they have found me via Proz.com, TC or my website.
For the rest I agree with Teresa above.
[Edited at 2019-11-05 10:25 GMT]
| | | | Paul Dixon
Бразил
Local time: 10:11
португалски на англиски
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CAT Tools, especially the one known locally as Travos (from Portuguese 'travar' which means '(a system) to crash') but also the Big Q and the Big W. Some insist on tools we have never heard of before, such as WordBee. Some agencies even insist on their own tools, or on using their own portal (So 'ABC Translations' (fictitious name, not talking about a real agency here) would ask translators to use ABCCat, ABCWorkbench or something.
(Other common requirements: You must be a US citizen; You ... See more CAT Tools, especially the one known locally as Travos (from Portuguese 'travar' which means '(a system) to crash') but also the Big Q and the Big W. Some insist on tools we have never heard of before, such as WordBee. Some agencies even insist on their own tools, or on using their own portal (So 'ABC Translations' (fictitious name, not talking about a real agency here) would ask translators to use ABCCat, ABCWorkbench or something.
(Other common requirements: You must be a US citizen; You must live in the US; You must be a graduate in [name subject here]; You must have [number of years] of experience in [name professional field]; You must supply three professional references...)
I refuse to give references and mention work, as there is always a possibility that the agency could grab the client. Worse is when they ask for samples of work, as most work is subject to an NDA and therefore cannot be sent to anyone else except the client. What I do is mention the jobs generically: 'Worked on a project with valuations of 34 commercial properties, building a team to work with me' (true, by the way)
And then there's the bureaucracy of UN jobs. They ask for over 30 pages of diplomas, certificates, references, Europass forms, personal declarations, to be sent by e-mail AND by post (special delivery because of the tight deadline). Last time I spent over 150 Brazilian Reais (40 USD) on postal fees, plus photocopying fees, scanning fees... applied for the job... and they NEVER EVEN BOTHERED either to acknowledge the documents or to give the result of the test. ▲ Collapse
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Anna Herbst
Австралија
Local time: 00:11
англиски на шведски
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МОДЕРАТОР ЛОКАЛИЗАТОР НА САЈТОТ | Certification | Nov 5, 2019 |
In Australia the NAATI certification (National Accreditation Authority for Translators and Interpreters) is the be all and end all. It has to be renewed every three years when a logbook of work done during the previous three years as well as one of Professional Development courses undertaken have to be presented together with a recertification fee in order for a new dated stamp to be issued for the next three-year period. Certain Government authorities will not accept translations that do not ca... See more In Australia the NAATI certification (National Accreditation Authority for Translators and Interpreters) is the be all and end all. It has to be renewed every three years when a logbook of work done during the previous three years as well as one of Professional Development courses undertaken have to be presented together with a recertification fee in order for a new dated stamp to be issued for the next three-year period. Certain Government authorities will not accept translations that do not carry a current NAATI stamp, so to be on the safe side, agencies will demand current certification from their translators. ▲ Collapse
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I hate working for agencies, because each time they ask for my certified 20+ years expercience at beginners' rates. I'm not going to work tirelessly for peanuts. When they offer, let's say, $0.04 per word, I tell them slavery is illegal, and at that price, I put it all in Google Translate and they'll have it back in 5 minutes. I always quote my regular rate and then some to make sure they don't bother me again. After all, they ask for my best rate, but don't specify if it's the best rate for the... See more I hate working for agencies, because each time they ask for my certified 20+ years expercience at beginners' rates. I'm not going to work tirelessly for peanuts. When they offer, let's say, $0.04 per word, I tell them slavery is illegal, and at that price, I put it all in Google Translate and they'll have it back in 5 minutes. I always quote my regular rate and then some to make sure they don't bother me again. After all, they ask for my best rate, but don't specify if it's the best rate for them of for me. I say for me!
The other thing is the tests. I hate them. Why would I give you my best effort in the hope of earning mere pennies? Nope, not worth the hassle. ▲ Collapse
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I agree with Teresa that a translation test can provide clients with a better preview of the translator's capacities than the possession of certifications. The requirement I see most often is that of experience in a specific field.
| | | | Mario Freitas
Бразил
Local time: 10:11
англиски на португалски
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| Tests are the ONLY way | Nov 5, 2019 |
Translation tests are the only and exclusive way to evaluate the quality and accuracy of the translation/translators. Experienced clients know very well that titles and education in the area mean very little and do not qualify a translator. Most agencies do ask for certificates and the like, but what determines the translators that will be engaged is doubtlessly the translation test. The rest are just add-ons.
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| Other - "apply?" | Nov 5, 2019 |
If we work as freelancers, we are not seeking employment. The agencies are seeking our services. There is no applying. The list itself has: higher education degree, language-related certification, and tests. There is nothing about training in the field of translation or certification as a translator. When I started out, I contacted local agencies by phone asking if they wanted my info, which I gave if the answer was yes, and then went beyond local. I told them of my degree, and my certific... See more If we work as freelancers, we are not seeking employment. The agencies are seeking our services. There is no applying. The list itself has: higher education degree, language-related certification, and tests. There is nothing about training in the field of translation or certification as a translator. When I started out, I contacted local agencies by phone asking if they wanted my info, which I gave if the answer was yes, and then went beyond local. I told them of my degree, and my certification. Once I had experience, I added that. I don't remember them having "requirements" and I didn't think to ask. I have seen such things on-line, however, especially in the bulk "jobs" that are sent out to anyone registered in the given language combination. ▲ Collapse
| | | | DZiW (X)
Украина
англиски на руски
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| Rater: Metaphorically "timid cheap" | Nov 5, 2019 |
I work with a few local direct clients only, who demand (1) quality, (2) timeliness, and occasionally (3) specific requirements. Even having mid/long-term contract jobs, I still consider myself to be a freelancer.
While I have nothing to do with fraudsters and agencies, my colleagues say the only thing most such non-end clients long for is a timid cheap: Spongers are ready to graciously accept anyone who is needy enough to blindly sign u... See more I work with a few local direct clients only, who demand (1) quality, (2) timeliness, and occasionally (3) specific requirements. Even having mid/long-term contract jobs, I still consider myself to be a freelancer.
While I have nothing to do with fraudsters and agencies, my colleagues say the only thing most such non-end clients long for is a timid cheap: Spongers are ready to graciously accept anyone who is needy enough to blindly sign up for $0.01/word rush jobs minus "fuzzies" after a couple of months, especially if prospect yesman initially offers PEMT/"freebies"/"discounts" and even pays their VAT and other company expenses.
Unfortunately, beside very low entry barriers and harsh market trends, most translators are naive twice-shy introverts without business awareness or communication skills. Certainly, the soft target and easy-peasy prey for predators. Furthermore, rather many wannabe free*lancers are fresh high-school graduates [leavers], rejects, or dropouts, who couldn't take their degree and get a real job, complementing it nicely with foreign language skills...
And out of sudden unwanted hobbyists are self-proclaimed "pure" translators, okay.
No portfolio and references? Little wonder they keep doing never-ending "free tests" instead of doing the biz.
Taking into consideration the recommended rates and terms, I partly concur with the opinion that modern education, self-employment, care allowance, and the such are often but clever tricks to disguise the unemployment ▲ Collapse
| | | | Gitte Hovedskov (X)
Данска
Local time: 15:11
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